One of the fears I had with getting a old car that dates back just when EFI systems were just going standard is that the electronics might give up on me one day or the next. And I’m fearing just that until me and my mechanic gets to the bottom of it, I might be looking at a lot of replacements for the fuel control system.
Last time, I shared that I’m having some problems with erratic idling. Then the engine struggles to get to a stable RPM (which with the B13 with a GA16DE engine is 750 RPM +/- 50) coming from a cold start. This is accompanied by several RPM dive bombs that sometime would lead to the engine sputtering and dying out. I had to mix it up with a few soft punches of the accelerator pedal just to keep the engine alive.
Since my mechanic didn’t have a CONSULT module that checks the sensors and the ECU for any error codes, we resorted some good old mechanical approach (which are also featured in Nissan’s service manual for the B13). First, we decided to clean all the sensors free from soot, starting with the MAP sensor, then to the 02 sensor, and the idle adjustment valve. We took care to disconnect the battery prior to it so that no voltage spikes may damage the ECU.
First, we checked the ignition timing if it was set to the specified degree. Next, we checked the idle valve to make sure that the proper engine speed is reached while idling. Still no progress. One thing we noticed though, is when we tug on the throttle cable, the RPM stabilizes quickly so we adjusted the throttle cable settings to get rid off the slack. After doing so, the RPM seems great. Tried coming from a start and the engine came to life and almost straight to the specified RPM.
So I went home, happy that the car’s supposedly in tip-top shape mechanically… finally.
Then the next day, I tried starting the car and experienced a hard start. Took me 5 seconds of cranking and the RPM still dove and the engine died. Cranked it again and it came to life, RPM dove to critical but erratically managed to get itself to normal RPM. Tried it out a few more times throughout the day and had a mix some good starts and hard ones. Quite puzzling.
Generally, I don’t have any problems now when the idling’s stable and is good to go. On the road, I have no complaints whatsoever, only that when I cruise down to a halt, depressing my clutch, several close-to-dying RPM divebombs still happen.
I’m just giving the ECU time to remap new driving data (and the prior adjustments that we made) for a few days, if all else fails, I might be force to go to a Nissan d(st)ealership and have the darned ECU nitpicked using their CONSULT diagnostic module. But as with dealerships, they’d push you to replace everything with brand new parts that we all know, that coming from a dealership, would cost a fortune.
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Iqbal Said,
December 5, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
I’m having the exact same problem with my 99 Golf. It all started after I pulled the battery to access the windshield washer pump, so I too suspect the computer forgot something important. Has your Nissan gotten any better yet?
Alex Said,
December 6, 2007 @ 5:22 am
Hi Iqbal! The car’s still at the dealership. They’re trying to check if all the wires that supposed to send signals to the ECU are doing their jobs.
Try having your car checked out by a shop with proper diagnostic tools. I went to the dealership and the CONSULT probe for Nissan told us what’s wrong.
I doubt if you lost data from the ECU from such a short time. Usually it takes a whole night or even more before the ECU memory gets wiped when the battery’s disconnected.
If it only happened just after you fiddled with your car, then it must be with something you did. Did you disconnect the negative terminal first?
Iqbal Said,
December 22, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Alex,
Turns out it was a faulty coolant temperature sensor. The sensor was reading 128 deg C when the engine was dead cold, and therefore not delivering enough fuel to start it. Replace the sensor and presto! started up right away and has been running sweet up until today when the clutch cable snapped - DOH!
Good luck,
Iqbal.
Kris Said,
April 9, 2008 @ 11:10 am
I have a 1992 Saturn SL1. When you start the car the radiator fan comes on and the car is idling at 1000 RPM. which of course but a lot of fuel. any idea what the problem might be.
You help is greatly appreciated.
Kris
Alex Said,
April 9, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
Hi Kris,
Is your Saturn using the Saturn 1.9L I4 LK0 engine? When did this start to happen?
The radiator fan should only come on when it’s . Try checking the following:
1. Rad fan thermoswitch (which would only start the fan when the coolant gets hot enough.
2. Wiring. Make sure that the radiator fan doesn’t bypass the thermoswitch.
Kris Said,
April 15, 2008 @ 8:46 pm
Thanks Akex! This is a 1992 Saturn SL1 SOHC 1.9L engine . It is approximately two months now this has been happening. The car is dead cold in the morning and the fan comes when the engine is running or idling. Could it be the coolant temperature sensor??
Kris
Alex Said,
April 21, 2008 @ 4:58 am
Could be. Your best bet is to have it diagnosed by a technician. Rough idling can be caused by a lot of other things. But it should be a quick check using their diagnostic tool (which they hook up to your car’s ECM).
Nza Said,
September 5, 2008 @ 6:42 am
Hi i have an Audi A3 1.9 TDI Sport.
Its a situation where the fans kept spinning even when I turned the ignition off and I had to disconnect the battery to kill the fans.
Now its a horrible situation its escalated to where the fans no longer spin and my engine is getting hot.
Took the car in for a diagnostics, and the mechanics say it can be 3 options
1. Faulty Switch unit for the fans to spin
2. Faulty Fan Control unit which the whole in built unit needs replacement
3. ECU Unit is f*cked and needs reprogramming etc
Whats your thougts on what the culprit could be please.
A speedy email hitback would be appreciated.
Thanks
Nza
Alex Said,
September 6, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
I think your mechanics have done a good job diagnosing. If the problem is related to your fans not spinning, these three are the main culprits. Though I wouldn’t discount possible causes like the fan motor burning out or even simply, a busted fuse (though you’d have to have your electrical system checked for shorts).
Switches and control units are relatively cheap. And they should be able to tell you if it’s the ECU if they scanned it via their diagnostic tool.
joab Said,
October 20, 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Alex did you fix your nissan altima? i have a cold start problem on my 95 altima.
Alex Said,
October 20, 2008 @ 6:23 pm
Nope. My car’s ECU was shot so I had to replace the damn thing. But oftentimes with Nissan’s it’s usually either one of these:
1) Temperature sending unit
2) AAC valve
Joab Said,
October 31, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
i got an error code Mass airflow and Knock sensor.
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